Hi guys, i have a question for you I have a few programming languages with what id call a intermediate understanding, with all those languages such as php, python and heck even plain css and html I had learned them raw before moving on to bootstraps and laravel or django ect. What i found was learning a language raw suck and is alow and painful but by the time you get to the framework you can really pick apart a problem. Java is my next programming language I want to dip into, though from my initial research it seems like a beast compared to what I have learned, would you suggest to forego the "raw" learning of this language and start of with a framework instead?