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    Default Which program?

    I'm not sure if this should go here or in the Learning section. I'm a Grad Student that is required to take a programming course. I don't plan on being a programmer, but I need to take the course in order to finish my degree. I took Java last semester and failed it completely. My only other option besides taking Java again is to take C++.

    Does anyone have any experience with C++ that could advise? I'm new to programming. I've never taken a course before or programmed anything. Not even scratch or Excel. I don't plan on being a programmer, I want to continue to run my tech support company and become a college professor. What would you advise?

    If the option is Java. Would there be a way I could post my code here and get advise as to why Eclipse isn't running it? Would you suggest a different IDE? My school suggests Eclipse or NetBeans, but I can use anything I want.

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    Default Re: Which program?

    To answer that question I would need to know what you found difficult. For the most part, except for taking advantages of language features, the logic (or call it the thought process) of writing a program is pretty much the same. So if you had a difficult time figuring out how to accomplish the task, the language wont change that all that much. C and C++ both use pointers and can pass addresses of primitives and objects (and even functions - aka methods). Java uses what are call references (which are similar but not as versatile). If it was the syntax that was confusing I would say that Java might be easier in that regard but that is my opinion. All languages have their good and bad sides. Many introductory courses are now using Python which I am now teaching myself. It has its own uniqueness but I am finding it pretty easy (but I am also a computer scientist, and have programmed in Perl which is similar).

    And sometimes the difficulties can be the instructor. Some can teach better than others. So again, it is hard for me to make a recommendation. You may want to ask some of your peers who are in the same situation as you and see what they have taken.

    Some IDE's are complicated and support many things unrelated to programming or support a variety of languages which can also be confusing. I use Eclipse and like it. JGrasp is one that others have used which is pretty simple but from my experience it doesn't support real-time syntax analysis so you need to wade thru the error messages to make corrections.

    NOTE: I just read your intro. You said above that you didn't want to be a programmer but in your intro you wanted to teach computer programming. Imho, do to that you will need to take more than a programming course. What if the college wants you to teach Java or C++ or Python? Many teachers teach languages they are unfamiliar with but have the ability to learn them quickly to satisfy intro programming courses because that is their field of study. So you need to consider that.

    Good luck!

    Regards,
    Jim
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    Default Re: Which program?

    For some reason my reply didn't post. I wanted to say I had an issue with the fact that the instructions were not complete. We would learn about a variable or a code type and then be sent off to write a program around. There was no instruction about what else needs to go into the script to make it work. I was very confused. I'm thinking about looking at Lynda.com for some courses on the basics of programming before I go further.

    As far as my introduction goes, I must have typed that wrong. it should say I wanted to teach computer programs not programming. Although after reading your post I might just consider programming.

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    Default Re: Which program?

    You may want to try some of the online resources. Here are some I recommend:

    For Python, check out tutorial and library reference here
    https://docs.python.org/3/index.html

    For Java, check out tutorial and Java API in the following links
    http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/index.html (up to Java 8 only)
    https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/index.html (java 8 - java 9,10, and 11 have been release but Java 8 has essentials for learning).

    You can also learn and practice coding at codecademy.com

    Regards,
    Jim

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    Thanks Jim

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